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Day 3 trial highlights: Rudy Giuliani’s lawyer tries to undermine expert who said reputation repair could cost $47.8M

Giuliani is expected to take the stand on Thursday.

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What to know about Rudy Giuliani's defamation trial

  • Today is the third day of Rudy Giuliani's civil defamation trial related to false claims he made about two former Georgia election workers.
  • A judge ruled this year that Giuliani, the former New York City mayor and a longtime ally of former President Donald Trump, defamed Ruby Freeman and her daughter, Wandrea “Shaye” Moss, by baselessly accusing them of election fraud. A jury will now decide how much Giuliani must pay Freeman and Moss for the damage he caused to their lives.
  • Witness Ashlee Humphreys, a Northwestern professor and expert in social media, testified this morning that Giuliani's claims had significantly harmed Freeman and Moss' reputations. Humphreys said, based on her analysis, it would cost them $17.8 million to $47.8 million to fix the damage.
  • Joseph Sibley, Giuliani's lawyer, repeatedly tried to cast doubt on Humphreys' credibility during cross-examination.
  • Giuliani is expected to take the stand on Thursday.

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1 years ago / 5:20 PM EST

Court adjourned; Giuliani expected to take the stand tomorrow

Daniel Barnesis reporting from the federal courthouse.

After Freeman's emotional testimony, Giuliani’s lawyer declined to cross-examine her. The plaintiffs have now rested their case, and court has been adjourned for the day.

The jury has been instructed to report tomorrow at 10 a.m. to give the parties time to discuss legal issues before the defense puts on their case.

Giuliani is expected to take the stand tomorrow as the only defense witness.

1 years ago / 5:06 PM EST

Freeman testifies the FBI told her she couldn't go home due to threats

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Kyla Guilfoil and Victoria Ebner

Freeman testified that because of ongoing threats to her safety, the FBI told her she couldn't return to her home until after the presidential inauguration in 2021.

The FBI's orders meant that Freeman was away from her home for two months, leading her to stay at a friend's house and then multiple AirBnbs. Freeman testified that it cost her over $6,000 to cover the costs of alternate housing during that time.

She added that she had to get security cameras installed at her house, something she never considered until then. Afterward, however, she had to move once her address had been circulated online.

“I was scared to come home at dark, you know,” Freeman said, visibly emotional. “I was just scared, I knew I had to move.”

Freeman said she's spent $4,635 installing and maintaining security systems at her former and current residence. Additionally, she took out $129,932 in equity from her home on Memorial Lane in October 2022.

“It’s so scary everytime I go somewhere if I have to use my name,” Freeman said.

1 years ago / 4:42 PM EST

Freeman says she was 'terrorized' by threatening messages after Giuliani's allegations

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Daniel Barnesis reporting from the federal courthouse.
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Kyla Guilfoil, Daniel Barnes and Victoria Ebner

Ruby Freeman said in her testimony this afternoon she she received threatening messages following Giuliani's allegations against her in the aftermath of the 2020 presidential election.

Freeman testified that she “felt horrible," adding that she "was scared."

Her lawyer showed the jury multiple threatening and hateful messages that Freeman had received by email after Giuliani made his defamatory allegations — including one that claimed to be from “Grand Wizard” using the email address [email protected].

“We are coming for you and your family! Ms. Ruby, safest place for you right now is in prison. Or you will swing from the trees,” one message read. 

“Ruby Freeman, hope the Federal Government hangs you and your daughter from the Capitol dome you treasonous piece of shit! I pray that I will be sitting close enough to hear your necks snap!” another said. 

Freeman — who was seen wearing a shirt advertising her clothing boutique in the ballot counting videos that Giuliani had shared on social media — said she also received threatening messages through Instagram, Facebook, text message, voicemail and letters in the mail.

Freeman testified that she went to the police to report these threats, and during her meeting with officers, her phone was ringing nonstop.

1 years ago / 3:34 PM EST

Freeman takes the stand

Daniel Barnesis reporting from the federal courthouse.

Humphreys concluded her testimony around 3:20 p.m.

Ruby Freeman, co-plaintiff and mother of Wandrea "Shaye" Moss, has been sworn in and is now on the stand.

1 years ago / 3:15 PM EST

Giuliani’s lawyer: ‘Today’s misinformation might be tomorrow’s truth’

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Daniel Barnesis reporting from the federal courthouse.
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Kyla Guilfoil, Daniel Barnes and Victoria Ebner

Sibley led a cross-examination of Humphreys this afternoon, seeking to undermine her testimony that Giuliani had significantly damaged the plaintiffs' reputations.

“You know that today’s misinformation might be tomorrow’s truth?” Sibley asked Humphreys. Giuliani's lawyer then cited the origin of the Covid virus and Hunter Biden as examples. But his remarks confused some in the room, including the judge.

The plaintiffs’ lawyer objected. Judge Howell sustained, saying: “I’m going to sustain the objection because I don’t know where you’re going with that.”

Sibley repeatedly tried to cast doubt on Humphreys' credibility. He accused the social media expert of having looked over at the plaintiffs’ lawyers multiple times before answering his questions.

“Do you have any money riding on this? Are you getting paid something if the outcome is different?” Sibley asked at one point during Humphreys' cross-examination.

1 years ago / 12:48 PM EST

It could cost Freeman and Moss nearly $48 million to repair their reputations, expert estimates

Daniel Barnesis reporting from the federal courthouse.

As she wrapped up her direct testimony around 12:20 pm E.T., expert witness Ashlee Humphreys, a professor at Northwestern University and an expert on social media, said her analysis found that it would cost Freeman and Moss $17.8 million to $47.8 million to repair their reputation.

The plaintiffs' lawyer, Michael Gottlieb, led the questioning of Humphreys, in which she walked the jury through her report on the amount of damages Freeman and Moss should be granted based on the impact of Giuliani's defamatory statements.

The numbers reflect Humphreys' calculation that defamatory statements and statements that caused emotional harm to the plaintiffs earned hundreds of millions of impressions across social media, news websites and television.

Humphreys recommended that the plaintiffs receive an amount of damages on the higher end of that range, citing the amount of impressions and the reputational damage done to Freeman and Moss.

The social media expert will return to the stand for cross examination by Giuliani's lawyer after a lunch break. The court is set to return to session at 1:20 pm E.T.

1 years ago / 11:15 AM EST

'Insane': Giuliani may have defamed Georgia election workers again

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Rudy Giuliani may have defamed two Georgia election workers again after the trial on Monday. The court already found him liable for defamation, and he’s on trial now for damages.

Giuliani spoke to reports in Washington D.C. Monday, claiming that everything he said about about the Georgia election workers in 2020 was true. He also said that he doesn’t regret making the defamatory comments, since what he said was “the truth.”

Joy Reid pointed out during her MSNBC show Tuesday that these statements directly contradict what his lawyer had described in court.

1 years ago / 11:08 AM EST

Trial pauses for a 10-minute break

Daniel Barnesis reporting from the federal courthouse.

The court proceedings have paused for a 10-minute break.

Humphreys will remain on the stand when the court returns to session, continuing to testify about the reach of Giuliani's claims about Freeman and Moss, particularly on social media.

Notably, Humphreys also did the assessment of damages for and testified in the E. Jean Carroll v. Donald Trump case.

1 years ago / 11:00 AM EST

Judge calls out Giuliani for publicly criticizing the plaintiffs after yesterday's proceedings

Daniel Barnesis reporting from the federal courthouse.

The plaintiffs' lawyer, Michael Gottlieb, asked the judge this morning to reprimand Giuliani again for remarks he made publicly last night.

After yesterday’s trial proceedings, Giuliani referred to the case as a “political hit job” in comments to reporters outside the courtroom. Later that evening, Giuliani disparaged the plaintiffs in a livestream shared to the social media platform X.

Judge Howell turned to Giuliani's lawyer, Joseph Sibley, to ask what he planned to do to curb Giuliani from speaking out again: "I know we said before you have a difficult job." Sibley responded that he would just reiterate again the repercussions to his client.

The judge also asked Giuliani directly about the comments he made last night, to which Giuliani said he didn't know he wasn't able to make them.

Giuliani said if what he said was not allowed, then it was an accident. “There’s a lot of accidents going on,” Howell replied. 

1 years ago / 10:50 AM EST

Freeman will take the stand later, lawyer says

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Daniel Barnesis reporting from the federal courthouse.
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Daniel Barnes, Victoria Ebner and Summer Concepcion

In the first 30 minutes of the trial this morning, Judge Beryl Howell went over how they would ask the jury to determine how “reasonably foreseeable” it would have been for Giuliani’s false claims against Freeman and Moss to be republished and circulated.

Howell said they could all confer on the wording of that to the jury, or else they would just need to trust her to come up with the wording. The plaintiffs’ lawyer, Michael Gottlieb, said they’d confer with Giuliani’s lawyer, Joseph Sibley.

Gottlieb also indicated that Freeman would take the stand later, after the Atlanta poll observer and Humphreys.