Luria: Trump wouldn't tell rioters to leave until it was clear they 'would not succeed'
Luria said Trump "finally relented" and tweeted a video at 4:17 p.m. telling the rioters to go home "while also telling them they were special and he loved them."
"By that time, although the violence was far from over, law enforcement had started to turn the tide, reinforcements were on the way, and elected officials were in secure locations," Luria said. "The writing was already on the wall: The rioters would not succeed."
The committee then aired a Fox News clip from that day, a channel Trump was "watching all afternoon," Luria said. In the clip, the anchors noted how dangerous the situation was at the Capitol and that Trump hadn't said anything to call off the mob.
"It is no coincidence, then, that President Trump finally gave in and went out to the Rose Garden at 4:03. His staff had prepared a script for him to read. He refused to use it," she said.
McCarthy called Trump, then went to Ivanka and Jared for help, Kinzinger says
House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., was one of the many people in Trump's orbit who pushed him to tell rioters to leave the Capitol on Jan. 6, Kinzinger said.
Kinzinger said McCarthy reached Trump by phone and urged him to call off the mob of his supporters, and when Trump refused, McCarthy then reached out to his daughter and son-in-law, Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner.
Several witnesses, including Marc Short, who was Pence's chief of staff, and Rep. Jaime Herrera Beutler, R-Wash., testified that McCarthy confirmed the conversation with Trump on Jan. 6.
Kushner recalled McCarthy had asked him for help during their call. "He told me it was getting really ugly over at the Capitol," Kushner told the committee in an interview.
"Think about that. Leader McCarthy, who was one of the president’s strongest supporters, was scared and begging for help. President Trump turned him down. So he tried to call the president’s children," Kinzinger said.
Matthews said Trump resisted calling for peace until Ivanka Trump convinced him
Sarah Matthews said in live testimony that after Trump attacked Pence in a tweet on Jan. 6, she immediately went to go speak to then-press secretary Kayleigh McEnany and told her Trump needed to post a tweet condemning the violence.
Matthews said McEnany agreed and went to the dining room to find Trump. When McEnany returned, she told Matthews that a tweet had been sent out.
"I thought the tweet did not go far enough," she said. "I thought there needed to be a call to action and he needed to condemn the violence."
Matthews said McEnany looked at her and said in a "hushed tone" that Trump didn't "want to include any sort of mention of peace in that tweet."
Matthews said she was told there was a "back and forth" in which people were "going over different phrases to find something that he was comfortable with."
"It wasn’t until Ivanka Trump suggested the phrase 'stay peaceful,' that he finally agreed to include it," she said.
House GOP deletes tweets during Jan. 6 hearing
The official Twitter account of the House Republican caucus deleted several tweets during the Jan. 6 hearing Thursday evening.
One deleted tweet attacked the credibility of witness Sarah Matthews, a former House GOP staffer herself. The tweet drew swift criticism from Republicans with whom Matthews had worked.
The second deleted tweet appears to have been a typo: "This is all heresy," it read before it was removed.
Oath Keepers' response to Trump tweet: 'He didn't say not to do anything to the Congressmen'
The committee played audio of members of the Oath Keepers live-reacting to Trump's infamous 2:38 p.m. tweet on Jan. 6 that urged rioters not to harm Capitol Police and to "stay peaceful."
After one of the Oath Keepers read Trump's tweet to the group, another replied, "That's saying a lot by what he didn't say, he didn't say not to do anything to the Congressmen."
Plenty of laughter could be heard following the comment.
The Oath Keepers spoke through Zello — an app that simulates push-to-talk walkie-talkies over cellphone networks. Among the people on the chat was Jessica Watkins, one of several Oath Keepers members who have been charged with seditious conspiracy.
When one Oath Keeper on the chat told the group that all members of Congress had been evacuated, Watkins said there was "no safe place in the United States" for the legislators.
As another Oath Keeper who had breached the building said they were in the Capitol Dome and described the scene, "They're throwing grenades, they're freaking shooting people with paintballs," Watkins told everyone inside to be careful but to "keep going."
Yet another user, who said they were watching CNN, called the scene "radical."
"[Trump] is not leaving office," another man said. "I don't give a s--- what they say."
Cipollone said White House staff wanted rioters to go home, suggested Trump did not
The committee played video testimony of Trump White House counsel Pat Cipollone saying staff wanted rioters to leave the Capitol and go home and implied Trump didn't want them to.
"I can’t think of anybody on that day who didn’t want people to get out of the Capitol once the, particularly once the violence started," Cipollone said.
Asked about Trump, Cipollone said he couldn't reveal communications, while adding, "But obviously I think, you know — yeah."
"Let’s pause on that last statement," Kinzinger said at the hearing. "Although Pat Cipollone is being careful about executive privilege, there really is no ambiguity about what he said. Almost everybody wanted President Trump to instruct the mob to disperse. President Trump refused."
The committee returns
The committee returned from its recess at 9:25 p.m.
Matthews says Trump's tweet criticizing Pence gave Capitol mob a 'green light'
Former Trump national security aide Matt Pottinger explained in live testimony that he decided to resign after seeing a tweet from Trump on Jan. 6 at 2:24 p.m. in which the then-president called his vice president, Mike Pence, a coward and blamed him for not stopping the certification.
"I read it and was quite disturbed by it," Pottinger said during the hearing. "I was disturbed and worried to see the president attacking Vice President Pence for doing his constitutional duty. So the tweet looked to me like the opposite of what we really needed that moment, which was a de-escalation."
"That’s why I said earlier that it looked like fuel being poured on the fire," he said. "That would be my last day at the White House. I simply didn’t want to be associated with the events that were unfolding on the Capitol."
Former press aide Sarah Matthews said in live testimony during the hearing that the tweet was "the last thing that was needed in that moment."
"I remember thinking that this was going to be bad for him to tweet this because it was essentially him giving the green light to these people," she said, adding that she thought the tweet would be viewed by rioters as Trump saying that what they were doing at the Capitol was appropriate. "He shouldn’t have been doing that. He should have been telling these people to go home and to leave and to condemn the violence that we’re seeing."
"I’ve seen the impact that his words have on his supporters," Matthews said. "They truly latch on to every word and every tweet that he says. And so I think in that moment for him to tweet out that message about Mike Pence was pouring gasoline in the fire and making it much worse."
Committee takes a break
The committee took a 10-minute break around 9:11 p.m.
Cipollone, Kellogg and Kushner say Trump had duty to ensure peaceful transfer of power
When asked during a committee interview if he believed Trump had "an obligation" to ensure a peaceful transfer of power, his son-in-law and senior adviser Jared Kushner responded: "Yes."
Cipollone and Kellogg also responded affirmatively when asked a similar question during interviews with the committee.
Cheney asked Cipollone during an interview if Trump held a responsibility to ensure that laws are "faithfully executed," to which Cipollone responded: "That is one of the president’s obligations, correct."
Kellogg separately told the committee that Trump had a "constitutional duty." "He’s the commander in chief," Kellogg said. "That was my biggest issue with him as a national security adviser."